Jim,

That was a great moment...a great quote...I have it up on my blog as well...it may well be a turning point for McCain...of course you know I am a McCain supporter.

Yes, great line. And I'm a connoisseur of the delayed ovation.

Jane and Elliot also liveblogged this at JustOneMinute on the Church and State thread.
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As such, I'll comment. In standing ovations, one can't keep one's feet for the urge to express. The delayed ones are always suspect.
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"Giuliani just doesn't stumble in any of these debates"

I would say that is because he is not scripted and he tells the truth. The only reason for anyone period to stumble would be because they have lied.

Your speech never stumbles even when you are telling the truth?
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Romney took two standing 8-counts in the first round. Money is his spinach, though.
Debuted new Brian Ferry coif. Or was it a Super(man) 'do? Something with Vitalis in place of hairspray. Perhaps the missus playfully called him My Robot in bed...

Fred did good AGAIN. Of course, the vapidity of the "top tier" aids him here.

The Ghoul: Hillary's dream date, Black Widow- style. 100% New York Liberal. His game ends with the Star Spangled Banner. And I told you the cell phone bomb revealed Rudy's thin skin. He calling to remembrance of it last night was a Plea to Leave It Be! *cue Hillary cackle* And the cell phone is only a firecracker. Still, a Ghoul-chaser!

I would advise the less clueless Bushbots and neocon sympathizers to slooowly maneuver AWAY from the Ghoul and TO the safe protestants Fred and/or Huckabee.

Huck was kind of a yawner this time, though.

And of course, Paul was ignored but STILL managed to roast the Demicans over their own flaming boondoggles and ineptitudes. "Big Government" and "bankruptcy" aimed at the party of "Main Street" cuts like a knife!

BTW, Last I checked the text poll it was Paul 35% with Huckabee close at apx 26%. A sign to me that the poll is, and has been, accurate (but too politically inconvenient).

PLUS: An interesting anomaly about the dorky streaming Fox Meter (with screenshots). The author is seeking comments from geeks. (And coming up with useless nerds, instead!)

http://the-edge.blogspot.com/2007/10/fox-news-modifying-people-meter-on-ron.html
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"And I'm a connoisseur of the delayed ovation.=kim"

The standing O was "invented" for Barbra Streisand in the early 60s (Broadway, Hollywood TV Specials):

Plant staff near the orchestra to rise with cries of "Bravo! Bravo!" and all the hillbilly tourists in the back stand up self-consciously to Fit In.

It was a variation of Sinatra's contrived Bobby-Soxers Craze. But instead of nubile girls, employ homos and out-of-work artistes instead.

After a while it becomes self-sustaining and "real".

The mass drug jade kicking in circa late 1966 seemed to end the spell. Now it's back to Broadway tourists again. And Oprah ticket holders. Jay Leno...

http://the-edge.blogspot.com/2007/10/fox-news-modifying-people-meter-on-ron.html

Woops, forgot superfluous link at bottom!

But since I'm here: Jim, THX for the laugh! Ann Althouse drunk-blogging until passing out...

So true, bD, real ovations are uncommon and immediate. They are usually hair raising. Even with pre-emptive Vitalis. I understand they are real anti-Macassers.
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The octet in the Barber's Nuptials. From the grave, M rises and roars.
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MUST SEE! HEEHEE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALfo4N-s8io

_____OFF TOPIC ALERT_______

Harumph! Instead of a semi-official Plame Rebuttal we have Cassie on the main board demanding a 1,000,000 tadpole fee to join her Wimmen Haterz Klub. Coincidence? (Plame =wimmen) Generating minions while tinkering with broken meme...Preying mantis in bikini... It fits!

ps: pass on to the "guys" this ancient wisdom:

"Men love women they love.
Women love men who love them."

Or as James Brown sang:
"It's a man's world."

Or as I say:
"If her butt's smaller than mine,
I'll consider it."

No such thing as Alpha women viz a viz men.
Nerds...

I think the top tier crushed any Dem as far as intellectual honesty, wit, conciseness in stating agendas on national security, SS, tax cuts, homeschooling-education choice, the borders. Rudy, Mike, or reversed, then Fred, Mitt and John all did OK. If nationally, the GOP can find someone who can actually win some Purple or Blue states, optimism should be rising. What I saw last night from Rudy, Mike, John and even Mitt, was passion. That is what is needed now that the MSM and Dems are allies in denigrating our military, economic system, and foreign policy.

"I think the top tier crushed any Dem as far as ...the borders."-glenn koons

That subject was studiously avoid by Fox because the Ghoul is an open-borders advocate, as is Hillary. And since Rupert Murdoch supports Hillary, it must be arranged to have open-borders vs open-borders as the choice. Broaching the subject will present the ascendancy of the alternative view.

The only certified secure-borders candidates are Paul, Tancredo, and Hunter. Fred and Mitt can pretend to be though Mitt's religion believes Indians (including Mestizos) are children of Israel and must occupy Missouri for End Time events to occur. (No, really!) Mormon and Catholic heirarchy both see Mexicans as tithers and pew warmers. The Mormon church has been very successful in Central America, etc.
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"The octet in the Barber's Nuptials. From the grave, M rises and roars.
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Posted by kim"

Is "M" Mendelssohn? Can't see him roaring though.

Roaring to music only recalls to mind an Anais Nin short story I read once or twice or thirty times: at the opera, in the balcony, hiding in the noise. I think it was in "Little Birds, etc.". Good stuff!

bryanD ~ Exactly when and how did Ron Paul become a "secure borders" advocate? He ran in 1988 on an "Open Borders" platform, which was a basic tenet of the Libertarian Party since its inception. At what point did he abandon his principles?

Please don't confuse his "defend our borders" rhetoric as having anything to do with immigration. The nutbar means he will withdraw American military forces to within our borders, and "defend" them against military invasion.

Had Paul's policies been in place after WWII, we - and the rest of the world - would be living under a communist government today.

Is legalizing pot and kiddie porn worth so much?

There are a couple of paragraphs of 'Sons and Lovers' that I like, but otherwise he is frothfully tedious. How she stood it.....well, we know!

So Solly. Mozart and the Marriage of Figaro. A stunning octet ends an act.
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"He ran in 1988 on an "Open Borders" platform, which was a basic tenet of the Libertarian Party since its inception.-JA"

At that time illegal immigration was not an issue. Fresh Simpson-Mazzoli Bill, a stable 1 million comers and goers, mainly in TX and CA, as since the days of the Gadsden Purchase. No biggie.
Not like the present-day mass displacement program begun with NAFTA to integrate "North America" into a "Security and Prosperity(sic)" zone by 2010. Please see SPP.GOV. Please watch this short slide show. Very detailed. Note the sponsor of the Panama Canal giveway (Rob't Pastor) is the sponsor of SPP and NAFTA.

http://www.freedom.org/naugreen2/launch.html

"Had Paul's policies been in place after WWII, we - and the rest of the world - would be living under a communist government today.-ja"

Make a post about that. I enjoy revisionist history. Will answer. Suffice it to say, today's neocon establishment were flying Viet Cong and NVA flags while they hid behind college deferments. Muravchuk, like Horowitz, former SDS. NOW THEY'RE the patriot police???
And the elders: Kristol, Podhoretz, Dector, Himmelfarb, Wattenberg, etc, etc, ALL avowed Trotskyite Communists. And we should listen to them?

So your confused. Look for the union label. Make sure the union label has no Japo-American spelling anomalies.

"There are a couple of paragraphs of 'Sons and Lovers'=kim"

That's lawrence!!!!!!!!!
I said Nin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Humongous difference.
Nin, Nobakov, Reage, Cleland: good!
DH Lawrence: overrated

"Mozart and the Marriage of Figaro.=kim"

I figured Mendelssohn's Wedding March. 1/2 pt!

OK, these 1st two make sense in their own panic-stricken ways:
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/leon_h_wolf/2007/oct/22/attention_ron_paul_supporters_life_is_really_not_fair

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/22/a-taste-of-russia-little-green-footballs-removes-ron-paul-from-their-gop-poll-for-gaming-reasons-then-games-cls-poll/

...BUT MEANWHILE (from the SAME direction) the Peter Paul-Hillary scandal is ignored by the supposed Right Wing partisan blogzone.

...and Drudge hearts Hillary (NYT)!!!

__All bow to Hillary, slayer of Ghoul__
Bipartisanship At Last. Meanwhile, puppet show!

bryanD ~ It's not "revisionist history" - it was Libertarian policy, which Paul supported: no troops or nukes stationed or deployed outside our borders except in response to direct attack. No NATO - an "entangling alliance" - or US troops to defend Europe; the Soviets would have rolled.

Whether "illegal immigration" was an issue or not in 1988 isn't the question. Paul's position was there should be NO SUCH THING as "illegal" immigration. The "open borders" policy would welcome everyone without limits on numbers at all. If he's changed, he should explain how his new position can be justified on the "principles" he claimed to defend.

Incidentally, Paul's name was dropped from LGF polls due to repeated instances of multiple voting from Paul supporters to pack the polls. It isn't as if he didn't warn them to stop it - he did, several times, before taking action.

That's why they're called Neo, bD. They were and remain classic liberals. They have a vigourous geopolitical perspective, far more acute than the 'corporatism' paranoia that emanates from the dying embers of Marx's flawed revision of Hegel.

How did Nin put up with it? Well, we know, but you don't yet.

One of Nabokov's favorite spots on earth is east of Crested Butte, in Colorado where there is a rapid vertical rise to the continental divide, granting a plethora of niches for flowers, and for butterflies. Did you know that in their cocoons, they don't just remodel, they dissolve to primordial soup, then recombine?
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If you've a link to that octet,
You'll see why Vladimir lives yet.
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Bierce, too. Read 'Chickamauga'.
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"Did you know that in their cocoons, they don't just remodel, they dissolve to primordial soup, then recombine?
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Posted by kim"

kim= Did YOU know:

"Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them."?

P.S. "Come back to work--and life."

Granted, your post was more Deepak than Scooter, but Scooter feels neglected, what with that Plame biatch going unanswered and all...

"Whether "illegal immigration" was an issue or not in 1988 isn't the question. Paul's position was there should be NO SUCH THING as "illegal" immigration."-ja

1988! 1988!

In 1988 Little George was having his bills paid by Daddy. He was a 40 year old drunk.

In 1861 Robert E Lee dutifully rode to DC when he knew he wouldn't accept the post.

Lincoln secured the Rio Grande and So California though he was against the Mexican War 15 years before.

It goes on like that. And I'm heartened you need to go back so far.

My question was: WHEN did Paul change his immigration stance? If you can't answer it, that's fine - but if you can't, please don't pretend it's "back that far," because it could have been the week before he declared, couldn't it?

I mean, if you don't know, you don't know . . .

"My question was: WHEN did Paul change his immigration stance?"-ja

Oh good grief! An accounting demanded by a fan of man who appointed Alberto Gonzalas!!!

I'll pretend I'm your Curiosity and look into it.

My guess: NAFTA. But we'll see.

In 1988...(checking...)

...pro-gun rights...
...fiscal conservatism...
...pro-home schooling...
...anti-abortion...(an un-libertarian CLUE!)...

...Kent Snyder (Paul's 1988 campaign chairman) was told at the time by John McCain, "You're working for the most honest man in Congress"....

...still checking....

...damn pre-WWW 1988...

bD, you also aren't curious enough about how she put up with it. Plame's becoming a joke. Read Gerard Baker in the Times. He gets several things wrong, but still gets to the essence of what a fraud she and that slimy snake Joe are.
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"Plame's becoming a joke."=kim

Her covert status is unquestioned now that Irving the Scooter's butt is out of the fire.

And snakes aren't slimy. You're thinking of eels.

Sorry, covert only by jargon use within the CIA, not covert for purposes of prosecuting. Besides, she and her husband outed her.

Scooter is not out of the fire. His appeal has not yet been decided.

Joe is a snake and he is slimy, therefore, that snake is slimy. Maybe not all snakes are slimy, but that one is.
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